Xref: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu sci.crypt:15323 alt.security:9973 comp.org.eff.talk:16922 comp.security.misc:3407 comp.org.acm:1618 comp.org.ieee:1550 Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news.harvard.edu!noc.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!network.ucsd.edu!mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!ucivax!ucla-cs!ucla-se!wright!ygoland From: ygoland@wright.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) Newsgroups: sci.crypt,alt.security,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.security.misc,comp.org.acm,comp.org.ieee Subject: Re: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it ! Message-ID: Date: 18 Apr 93 09:06:34 GMT References: <1993Apr17.032828.14262@clarinet.com> Sender: news@SEAS.UCLA.EDU Followup-To: sci.crypt Distribution: na Lines: 44 The Clipper chip is just the culmination of Dorthy Denning et all. But lets ignore that for the moment. The fundamental question is:Can the government stop me from using encryption? Ignoring for the moment the question of patented processes (such as Public Keys), can the government stop me from using an encryption process? If the answer is yes then what freedom we have in this country is truly gone and its time to get out the guns or the lawyers (depending upon which causes more damage and to whom). However assuming that I can still encrypt things as I please, who cares about the clipper chip? As far as I'm concerned a phone line is insecure PERIOD. I don't care if they encrypt it 10 ways from sunday, if I didn't do the encrypting, I don't trust it. This is the attitude that everyone else should have. Instead of worrying about a clipper chip, simply connect your handset to your computer and feed the voice single through, process, encrypt, and transmit over the phone. The guy on the other hand then does the same in reverse. Can't work you say? No Standard you say? Obviously you have never uses PGP. Anyone who expects the government to protect their freedoms is kidding themselves. Only you can protect your own freedoms. One final thought addressed to EFF: 1.Do you support the implementation of ANY form of encryption where the encryption key must be revealed? 2.If you do, why? If not, why? 3.What SPECIFIC actions are you planning to take to either support or stop this proposal? 4.If you do not support this proposal, what alternatives do you offer? The Jester -- Proof Windows is a Virus:It is very widespread, It eats up your disk space, It slows down your computer, It takes control over your computer, It performs disk access at random times, It displays silly messages on your screen, It randomly crashes the computer-Vesselin